| Topic: Exec Discussion - What is a Canadian? |
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There's been a few queries into the Exec asking for clarification on what it means when we say, 'Canadian Citizen'. This applies to who we've said is allowed to enter the ultimatefoos production, and who can represent Canada as our National Champion for ITSF international events (and World Cup teams). Is a Canadian Citizen, one that has Canadian Citizenship? or one that has resided in Canada for longer than a given period of time? (say 1 year) or some other definition. I'm never one to exclude anyone from anything i'm involved with, so i guess we should discuss this. When dicussing this please leave people's specific names out of this, we should discuss this in general terms, and not take our current situation, and possibly those people that this would effect now into account. |
Posted: Mar 18 2007 12:17AM
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I think that we should try to take our cue from the ITSF. This is what their statutes say about players' nationalities. 9.2.1 When a question of nationality is raised in the application of the Statutes and Rules (players, granting licences, etc.), a player residing in a country other than his own must be considered as belonging to both countries. 9.2.2 For official competitions of the I.T.S.F., competitors must be strictly of the nationality of the country which they are representing: a) The player who enjoys multiple nationality must choose which country he wishes to represent. The fact that he has played for one of the countries implies that he has made a choice. If he wishes to represent another country of which he enjoys nationality, he must so advise the Office of the I.T.S.F. and he may only represent this other country after an interval of three years from when he advised the Central Office of the I.T.S.F., during which he can no longer represent the other country. b) A player who has already represented a country and acquires a new nationality (from being stateless or through naturalisation) can only represent his new country after an interval of three years from his last participation in a competition for his previous country. c) The player who acquires a new nationality as a result of marriage may play for that new country immediately, without waiting three years. d) The Executive Committee of the I.T.S.F., with the agreement of the member federations concerned, and only for just reasons, may reduce or dispense with the interval of three years. e) The player who has never participated in an official competition of the I.T.S.F. or in a Regional Championships, is not constrained by these limitations concerning change of nationality and may play for his new country immediately. f) Any change in country which a player represents is definitive; no further change can be authorised. g) In cases of dispute the Executive Committee of the I.T.S.F. will make a ruling, which is not subject to appeal. |
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i agree its best to follow in line with what the ITSF says. If i read this correctly, this would effectively mean that if a person resides in Canada, and wishes to represent Canada, then no matter their citizenship, we will allow them to represent canada as long as they chose to only represent canada. now i'm not sure.. i might have it wrong, cause the following sounds to me like what i've said isnt true: "9.2.2 For official competitions of the I.T.S.F., competitors must be strictly of the nationality of the country which they are representing:" but the following does mention players: "9.2.1 When a question of nationality is raised in the application of the Statutes and Rules (players, granting licences, etc.), a player residing in a country other than his own must be considered as belonging to both countries." they seem to contradict each other. |
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They do at first glance. But what you have to realize is that in one case they are talking about the application of "Statutes and Rules", which to me indicates things like being on a federation's player list (so you can be on both) and the other one is about "Official Competitions". So its really the first one that concerns us in this situations. It seems that we will need special permission to dispence with the waiting time of 3 years if a person has played for another country. I know that the ITSF has, in the past, allowed certain players (like Jamal) to play for a country (Belgium), then for another one pretty soon after (Germany). I think that if we ask, we can get our players past the waiting period. Taha |
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I know this topic has been dead for some time, but i had a thought. I totally agree that we cant name a player (or team) as our national champion - or be on national teams that don't fit within ITSF's definition. But can we allow them to compete to be our national champion, where if they win, the 2nd runner up (or highest placing) is named the ITSF National Champion. The last thing i want to do is exclude anyone that lives in Canada from competing in our events. What do others think? |
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