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Oh yah, he was boozed up most of the time and smoking 2 packs a day back then lol.
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in the game TODAY!!
if you guys want to talk about all time, start a new thread
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U R correct!!!
There IS nobody in the game today who compares to Gretzky!!!
lol
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Yzerman won a mvp voted by the players and has won the Selke.
*Just one thing for the big guy he has Gretzky didn't have*
.......To make a long story short Yzerman is the best all around hockey player. Yeup, he sure is.
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David, David, David.
You aren't seriously saying that Yzerman, although a great player is/was better than Gretzky, are you???
All around play does imply defence and offence, and although a great talent like Gretzky was never sent out to "shut down" another player, putting him on the ice made the other team switch from their offensive players to a checking line(which didn't work anyways) which is a good way to shut down the other teams.
NHL RECORDS
NOTE ::::: Wayne Gretzky Holds & Shares (61) Records ::::::
If you want to consider all around, during his time Trottier was widely considered the best and won more cups than Gretzky or Yzerman. Messier was an all time leader and WAS also a shut down center. Listening to "the experts" the only player here -Gretzky-Yzerman-Trottier-Messier- ever mentioned in the "top 10 all time" discussion is Gretzky, although they are all fantastic players in there own ways.
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"if you guys want to talk about all time, start a new thread "
BTW we have taken over your thread thank u...lol
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You mean the best player ever wasn't Vladimir Krutov? When he was a Canuck he led the league in hot dogs eaten per goal! I think that he even won the Oscar Meyer trophy for it.
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Honestly, if you get a chance and you love hockey try to see the game the oilers beat the islanders for the cup the first time back in 84. I got it from the public library in edmonton. The islanders were a tuff team that had already won the cup 4 times and the oil well, that game is start to finish a high-lite reel.
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I have noticed Messier is loved in Alberta, but I think he's over rated.
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IT would be perfect if the Oilers of today got Wayne to be their coach. That would definately bring back some luster to their organization. Now that's an idea! OR if the Oilers really want to shoot themselves in the foot, they would hired Messier.
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Messier is one of my all time favourite players!
The moose baby.
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I'm just saying,
FOr someone who was titled by Wayne as the greatest leader of all time...He couldn't take the canucks and then the rangers again to the playoffs. If He was all that i think he would at least take his team to the playoffs no?
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Messier won the cup with the Rangers. The Canucks media destroyed him, never gave him a chance. They are doing the same now to Sundin.
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1994 Stanley Cup, Rangers and Messier. I watched the whole run.
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So you will remember when they counted his goal even though a fan (in ny) threw a puck onto the ice in the same area as he scored from.
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I remember, but not all the details. Didn't both pucks go in? Many years ago...
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I've seen Messier win a game all by himself, and in such a fashion, plus the only person to win the cup as captain on two different teams. That guy is one of the all time best players to ever have played the game, but of course you need a number of talented people on your team if your going to win the cup.
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Ol' Wayne dose not have the best record as a coach. Not sure if that would be the best for the Oilers. To many expectations and the media and fans alike would kill him.
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Posted: Apr 23 2009 5:34AM