Calgary
| Topic: October 15-17th Canadian Nationals Warm-Up |
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October 15-17th Time Out Pub - 96st and 66 ave 4 Tornado Tables Friday Night: $10 Draw Your Partner 8:30 Saturday: No-Pro Singles 11:30 Open Singles 1:00 No-Pro Doubles 4:00 Open Doubles 7:00 Sunday: Events Continue (TBD) Pro/Am 11:00 Last Chance DYP 1:00 Event Entry Fees: Rookie $20 Semi-Pro $25 Pro $30 Pro Master $35 Also the Pro/Am will be defined as that one player must be a rookie. SemiPro, Pro, and Pro Master ranked players can play with any Rookie. It is not a draw, it is a bring or choose your own partner event. Everyone pays the same entry as they would to any other event. The Last Chance DYP will be limited to only players that are not in other events. If we have 8 players or more we will do the event, if it is less than 8 but other players also want to play in the draw we can open it up at that time to other players. |
Posted: Sep 2 2010 7:30PM
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Sweet I think I can actually make that. Can you tell me what i'll be ranked for this one? |
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Pro Master obviously! Just kidding, I was thinking about this before, Des and Darcy will both be ranked as rookies for this one. Set up your partners now! |
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anyone need a rookie partner? |
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Nice job,Will!Let's get foosin'!!!  |
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What's the prize money breakdown? |
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Still discussing options with a few people about that. |
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Des and Darcy were ranked Semi Pro in Calgary. Why are they in Rookie now? Semi-Pro: Anthony Chin Ayman Saklou Ben Donkersgoed Ben Wilkins Ben Holbrow Brian Burgess Chris Demello Chris Jetmundson Chris Knudsen Darcy S Desmond Tse Dylan Felix Wong Frederic Spence Greg Allen Jason Belhumeur Jamie Simeon Kevin Wong Lance Campbell Linda Ly Lindsey Rupertus Lyle Mack Marc Roy Matt Dick Mike Johnston Morgan Bunce Nathan Streifel Owen Black Patrick Mckenna Peter Koo Rick Kippen Ritchie Daly Roni Nehmer Sean Burnett Ted Archibald Tobin Myszczyszyn Tom Hanna Tri Nguygen Vanson Tran Vern Verkley Willie Chan |
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I'll be using the rankings from the last tournament I ran (WEM). Sean and Greg from Regina are also off that list into the rookie list, I'm not sure how they were bumped to semipro originally but it wasn't fair for them. Des and Darcy are both really good players but I don't think they are head and shoulders above the other rookies. |
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I like to hear the confirmation of my goal when I score. Are we going to be able to take the cloths out of the nets? Also, still don't have a rookie partner, anyone? |
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If you showed up ever you would know that the cloths were out a while ago  |
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Payout structure for this event: 1st 40% 2nd 25% 3rd 15% Total of 80% payout per event. The remaining 20% will be taken out of each event, and put towards the highest placing player that plans to attend Nationals. The highest ranking player will be based off of Open Singles results only. I figure there will be about $400 built up from that, so if the player that wins open singles decides to go to Ottawa they will receive about enough money to pay for a flight+hotel. If they decide not to go then the second place person has the choice to go. Money will be withdrawn from the DYP, Open Singles and Doubles, No-Pro singles and doubles, and the Pro/Am. We want to send the best player we can to Ottawa and this should be some encouragement for that player! I'm pretty set on doing this and the people I have talked to have all thought it was a good idea - still feel free to throw your thoughts at me about whether it is a good idea or not. |
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Do people want trophies and a $10 registration fee or would you rather not have trophies and save the $10 bucks each? |
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I would vote trophies,not unlike the ones at the warrior tourney you put on.Hardware is always worth little extra money. |
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Trophies for sure! Payout structure sounds solid also, good incentive to someone planning on attending Nationals from out here. My 2 Cents. |
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Does No-Pro Singles/Doubles = Rookies and Semi-Pros, or just Rookies? |
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Semi-pro can play. |
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Ted if you came you could play in the DYP, Open S and D, No pro S and D, and if you find an Am for the Pro/Am you could play in that too. I'm not expecting to have a huge turnout for this one, maybe around 40 players. |
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I personally do not think it is the way to go to take 20% off,at least for the open divisions,then give that to the highest placing player,which could be a tenth place finish.As well,it seems to be wrong to give someone who doesn't win, money they didn't win.But to say to the winning team,even before the first goal is scored,"you don't get 20% of your winnings if you don't go to nationals,"seems to be almost a disincentive to participate,to put forth the required effort to win a tournament.I think your making a mistake here,but I'm sure that won't dissuade you.If a team wants to go to nationals,they should find their own way there. |
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"The remaining 20% will be taken out of each event, and put towards the highest placing player that plans to attend Nationals." .... the 20% is not taken out of just one persons (or 'teams') winnings. It's there for a player who wants to go to nationals. This being a warm-up tourney FOR nationals i don't see a problem.... or maybe i just don't understand your post. |
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Joey i see your point and am very open to hear from people that think I am making a mistake, especially coming from someone as supportive as you have been. I am thinking of it from the point of view that it is incentive to all of the top players to take that money to use it to go to nationals. If you were to win open singles and doubles, that would give a player probably 300-400 bucks. If you can also then take 3-400 from the "trip fund" if you go, you have your trip covered. If that player - whoever wins - goes to represent western canada I would be really happy. They came here and showed support for us (and Mario I was the highest placing canadian 3rd). In Ottawa they ran a "warm-up" in which the entire fund was dedicated to the player that won. There was no payouts for second or third etc. I am trying to balance that idea with the fact that not everyone wants to pay to play in a tournament in which the winner takes all. That said I do see where you are coming from, if there is other people that strongly agree with that then let me know what you think. If i'm making a descision that doesn't make a lot of people happy then I'd rather know now than the day of the tournament when lots of people don't come... A few people have said it is a good idea, but I wouldn't doubt if a few people don't want this - let me know. |
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I like the idea. I wouldn't mind seeing even more of the money going towards sending a team/person. |
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I think it's worth a try me-self. |
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I think it's worth a try me-self. |
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maybe even twice...  |
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will here are some additional ideas: make it 25% instead of 20%. and get the venue to pitch in a portion of the food / drink sale - maybe 10% of their 300% markup on food costs / labour / etc from the weekend. break it down to 40/22.5/12.5 for 1st / 2nd / 3rd. get some draw prizes sponsored from your club's beneficiaries ( promoters, booze sponsors, vending firms - hats, shirts, sOMEthing) and then do a 50/50 draw. Give 50% of the money for tickets sold to the top placing single AND doubles teams from this tournament who played in EDMONTON who actually buck up and pay most of their own way to France. Give 25% into the NATIONAL fund to help with meals, transportation, lodging, meals, uniforms, etc. This ensures West isn't funding East, especially since they have i believe a larger following between Tornado, Garlando, and Bonzini. Give 25% to the lucky draw ticket holder in cash. Give consolation prizes to the 2nd/3rd/4th place draw raffle tickets so you have lots of small winners vs 1 big winner of just cash. Part of something, even if it's only a Coors LIGht t-shirt is better than nothing. It's not a lot of money. If, say, 50 players buy $5 each worth of 50/50 tix, it raises a total of $125 towards a trip for your top doubles guys and top singles guy from the Edmonton qualifier. If they win but don't go, don't give it to them. WHat did they lose out on? 25/1 on their $5 investment? based on the above formula. As a promoter, you could put a portion of the plugs from that weekend towards those funds too because it would your own players you'd likely be supporting in Europe right? Collect membership $ for TSAC. Agree to do it and fwd all the money for memberships new, old or renewing to TSAC. They can use the money from the 2010 membership blitz to help with expense fees. I'm not wanting my TSAC fees to pay for someone to get a free trip from Ontario to represent. you EARN it with table skills. no free rides. in a tournament. not a let's play favourites and who's farking who for the group money dealy like the IManpoor days. Talk to a sportswear or promotion / marketing company. Dont buy cheap ass jerseys for $10 at sport chek. Ask the company to come on board as a NATIONAL supplier maybe sponsor. Corporate sponsorship is bigger than you think. They won't be giving you any huge corporate discounts because you just wouldn't buy enough volume. But they might throw in some free embroidering in exchange for some free advertising. And you'd have uniformity and consistent uniforms. And maybe someone could donate an old foosball table to the BOYS and GIRLS club on behalf of that sportswear mktg firm. maybe they WOULD sponsor for some good media / press. ANybody ever see a pro boxer inking up his backside during a big title fight advertising a sports drink or online casino? |
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I like a lot of what Tony Tong just stated here and the distribution breakdowns and re-allocations of possible collected funds to not just the few going , but the many supporting the events and promotions of Table Soccer.  |
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Lots of great idea's. Let me think about this all and post thoughts later. |
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Why not donate the table plugs to the highest placing player that goes on the trip.  |
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Tony said: "make it 25% instead of 20%. and get the venue to pitch in a portion of the food / drink sale - maybe 10% of their 300% markup on food costs / labour / etc from the weekend." - I am not going to change the percentage now, after having decided on 20% and having people on both sides of the fence, i'll just stick with the original idea. That said if we can get the bar to pitch we will. The reason we went to Time Out instead of Gateway is because Gateway is willing to pitch money to a tournament - but not this one or right now. So if we run a tournament for free at Gateway we potentially wont be able to get more cash out of them later. Tony said: "get some draw prizes sponsored from your club's beneficiaries ( promoters, booze sponsors, vending firms - hats, shirts, sOMEthing) and then do a 50/50 draw. Give 50% of the money for tickets sold to the top placing single AND doubles teams from this tournament who played in EDMONTON who actually buck up and pay most of their own way to France. Give 25% into the NATIONAL fund to help with meals, transportation, lodging, meals, uniforms, etc. This ensures West isn't funding East, especially since they have i believe a larger following between Tornado, Garlando, and Bonzini. Give 25% to the lucky draw ticket holder in cash. Give consolation prizes to the 2nd/3rd/4th place draw raffle tickets so you have lots of small winners vs 1 big winner of just cash. Part of something, even if it's only a Coors LIGht t-shirt is better than nothing." -I don't have the time to do this right now, which is why this is such a small tournament. I'm trying to not have to put in any effort right now, but the tournament in March/April will be much larger and with more effort put in for promoting... If someone else is willing to run a 50/50 draw at the event and donate the money to whatever cause they chose then that is awesome. I'll ask the bar to kick in a couple of prizes or merchandise but thats about the extent of what i'm willing to put in. Tony Said: "Collect membership $ for TSAC. Agree to do it and fwd all the money for memberships new, old or renewing to TSAC. They can use the money from the 2010 membership blitz to help with expense fees. I'm not wanting my TSAC fees to pay for someone to get a free trip from Ontario to represent. you EARN it with table skills. no free rides. in a tournament. not a let's play favourites and who's farking who for the group money dealy like the IManpoor days." I'll implement this starting in 2011 hopefully. For all of the tournaments I run i'll make sure people are TSAC members, if I can get some other promoters out east and here to do the same thing it would be great. TSAC could use the money. Tony Said: "Talk to a sportswear or promotion / marketing company. Dont buy cheap ass jerseys for $10 at sport chek. Ask the company to come on board as a NATIONAL supplier maybe sponsor. Corporate sponsorship is bigger than you think. They won't be giving you any huge corporate discounts because you just wouldn't buy enough volume. But they might throw in some free embroidering in exchange for some free advertising." The jerseys and jackets that we got when I went to the World Cup were really high quality, I couldn't ask for more, i'm sure they would run about $70 with a logo on them from a store. I am sure when we form a team I will get the people that make the jerseys to kick in something, maybe even free jerseys. I have a few big plans for this. Tony said: And maybe someone could donate an old foosball table to the BOYS and GIRLS club on behalf of that sportswear mktg firm. maybe they WOULD sponsor for some good media / press. ANybody ever see a pro boxer inking up his backside during a big title fight advertising a sports drink or online casino?" Actually we are working on getting 4 tables going for a youth program right now, we want to get a once a week free drop in time for kids in Jr High and High School. In the beginning stages right now but I have talked to a few locations about this. The biggest problem is going to be finding a place to play... I don't think I will have a hard time getting kids there or getting tables there. We'll see how this goes and i'll let everyone know once it is under way. |
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Simon said: Why not donate the table plugs to the highest placing player that goes on the trip." How about you donate 1000 bucks to the fund! We have lost money on every tournament we have run so far, because we put in so much effort to promote and make the tournament experience better for everyone. I cant see us losing money on this one, but there is still risk involved. What if we buy trophies and not enough people show up to cover the costs of the trophies, or what if someone intentionally bends rods, or any number of other things could happen. Anyway its not a bad idea, and if we can find a way to break even on every tournament then that would be fine with me, but right now we are always buying things like video cords to get the video camera onto a tv or 100 ft internet cords or just random things that add up to hundreds of dollars per tournament. This time hopefully we have everything covered but we'll see. |
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I agree,I too think Simon should donate $1000.00 towards the prize money!!  |
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Also,roller shooters should have to pay an added fee. |
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> How about you donate 1000 bucks to the fund! You expect to make $1000 in plugs? Wow, way more than I expected. Besides, it wasn't ment for you to take it so seriously. Hence the smiley face eye blinking guy. |
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I think Will has reasoned out not to send a Team this year by the limited time this year, but get ready to fully fund-raise for the next year? Next year being Jan 2012. Is this how I read one of your other postings Will?  |
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Simon we won`t come close to 1000 bucks, but I figured if you would pony up some cash I might as well swing for the fences! Carey you are right, not that I am opposed to people going to France I am just not going to organize it. I might be interested in going if we get a team to go. |
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There is a possibility I could donate some $$$ but it would all depend on who won  |
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