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Calgary & Edmonton & Vancouver & TSAC
| Topic: Idea for TSAC 2007 National Championships |
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I'd like to see if we can make a national championships happen this year. My thinking is this: We announce we will be accepting applications to hold regional qualifiers, (within a given timeframe) and the national championships (again within a given timeframe). We give promoters / associations a time period to reply with their applications. We decide who gets accepted. The events have an entry fee for the players. The events have an entry fee for the promoters. All fees help pay for our national champions to go to Italy and / or to travel to national championships. Today June 20 July 1 - we announce we are accepting applications July 21 - applications closed July 27 - we announce accepted applications Aug 3 to Sept 3 - qualifiers are held weekend of sept 15th or 22nd or Oct 5th - national championships are held. (just an fyi) Sept 26-30th Tornado World Championships are held Oct 25-28 ITSF World Championships are held. We hopefully want to name men's and women's singles and doubles champions - plus junior and senior singles and doubles champions. I'll have to check with the status of the ultimatefoos promotions as we've promised them that our national men's singles champion would be determined from that - and that's fine - we can still determine everything else from our own events. Please let me know your thoughts, or other ideas - we have to move quickly if we want to make this happen - and if we do anything this year at all, I think this should be it. I'll post this on the public boards as well, as we want everyone's input - and if anyone knows of another board - please post - and I'll do my best to get it on there as well. |
Posted: Jun 19 2007 5:22AM
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Hey Eric: Here is my thoughts. We were already thinking of holding a one day tournament in that time frame. So we can easily make that into the Ottawa qualifier. I don't know how big we could make it. We are having issues trying to get tables right now so a big event may be difficult. What kind of fees are we talking about here? |
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I think that maybe you need to give ultimate foos a timeframe that they should adhere to to allow them to qualify the National singles champ. Seems we are always waiting til the last minute to have things miraculusly work themselves out, which they never seem to do. Give them a week/month to offer an aggreement for operating this years singles championship within a timeframe, a consequence for them not completeing the aggreement (like cash), then if it doesn't work out we have the means and time to complete it ourselves. It's easy to understand that we, as players, want that Utopia that never seems to arrive (its always at our fingertips just out of reach hehe) but we have something that they want so it is a give-give situation. Why can't we get something for our ongoing co-operation, I don't want to strap them over a barrel but something would be proper. Also I don't mind running an event in Vancouver for those that would like the opportunity to play for the National Championship. I imagine that for me though the costs would have to come out of the entry fees since there is a limited amount of players that would be willing to enter here. |
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The producers of ultimatefoos are also waiting to hear back from the cable execs on if and when they will include it in their schedules. So if the cable execs decide they are not interested, then the promotion doesnt happen. So its not ultimately up to the producers if and when this happens or not. I've informed them about the deadlines as to when we'd need to announce our national singles champ and our current thinking of our dates for qualifiers and finals. |
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my thoughts for entry fees - where like $100 for each qualifer that the associations / promoters wanted to run and like $10-$20 per entry plus all players would have to be tsac members. These are just initial thoughts, and i havent done any math to see what kind of funds this gives us to help offset travel costs to finals/italy |
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So what happens if we pass the due date of June 31 and we dont get any tournaments up and running. Will Canada have a male player representing? I dont care if its one out west or out east it has to be done quick. Make it as basic and as simplistic as possible. Like you said TSAC is a new federation so keep it simple. Just one table Tornado. i dont know how you will bring east and west together to play each other. No matter what you do not everyone will agree. Whatever decision you choose i will stand by it. Its nice to see East and West both agree on running tournaments. I know this is not going to be easy Eric. GOOD LUCK!!! Mario Ariganello |
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If we pass the due date of june 31st, and do not run some type of national championship tournament between now and oct 5, then you're correct Mario, no one will represent Canada at the ITSF World Championships. |
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Here are my thoughts on the topic, |
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Well stated Tim! |
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Wow this is too funny. Tim has nothing to say. lmao. Someone who i thought was so wise has nothing to add here. I'm surprised. It's funny how you bashed me and my efforts for what i did last year and when its finally in your the players hands you all dont care. Why is that? You guys have all the choices now so lets see what you got, stand up put your money were your mouth is why dont you get involved. Is it that you think that you dont have a chance to qualify. Because that would be bullshit right. Everyone has a chance even You. So why back out now. You werent a quiter than why are you a quiter now. You let me hear it everyday day, day in and day out for the choices that i made. You had lots of time on your hands than, do you not have the time know? Its not going to be easy to get this done. That is what i was afraid of then and this is what i'm afraid of know. I know i'm playing the best foos of my life right know and so are my fellow torontonians. We all have a shot at the world championships the way were playing. We have to stop thinking about yestarday and move on to tomorrow that is the only way we are going to get ahead. The only thing that i can think of is have one tournament out west one out east. Than the winner of West vs East. All the money in both tournaments pays for trip for who ever flies to the others tournament. The rest of the money goes to the itsf world championships. I would love to come there and so would any of the players here i think that would be exciting even for the camera. You could make the finals 4 out of 7. Mario Ariganello |
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I have nothing to say about it because right now I'm in the middle of law school and an MBA program and frankly haven't the energy to worry about foosball. Additionally, my response was intended to be humourous. Since you brought it up, the situation you were in last year was one of your own creation because you chose to be Adam's pawn. Therefore, you had to suffer through the attacks, not because we disagreed with how you were dealing with it, but because we disagreed with the fact that you had anything to do with it under the circumstances. Adam appointed you to "choose" the team just so long as it was populated by Adam and his friends and you made sure that his plan came to fruition. It will be a long time before I take anything you say or do seriously Mario - your credibility with myself and many other foosers was virtually destroyed by your actions. You could have taken the moral high road, you chose not to. Right now I haven't the time or energy to devote to foosball, other than attending the weekly tournaments here in Vancouver. I am taking the moral high ground in that regard by allowing others, who do seem to care, to worry about this. I could not give it my best effort, much like you failed to give it your best effort last year. Personally, I think your proposal about an East qualifier and a West qualifier with the winners to play off may be a good option but I must confess it is one of only a very few I've had time to read. Tim |
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Wow this is too funny Mario is being a baby. First and foremost anyone who was involved in the selection process of the family trip last year should not be allowed to compete for Canada, regardless of whether they were a pawn or not. What choices we can have qualifiers to try and collect what would amount to over 2000$ for one person in addition to roughly a week off work, how many people will play in the tournaments maybe 2 people from each city, at a 200$ entry fee with one prize. and thats probably a high number, in addition the logistics of getting people from vancouver calgary edmonton, regina and saskatoon is unrealistic. You let me hear it everyday day, day in and day out for the choices that i made. You had lots of time on your hands than, do you not have the time know? The choices you made were to appease your friends what do you expect, cry more about it. Im not even going to comment on how full of yourself your being in the next paragraph. We have to stop thinking about yestarday and move on to tomorrow that is the only way we are going to get ahead. wonder why you would say that maybe beacause the only person the past is marred for is you, and it shouldnt be forgotten about. Additionally everyone knows the only reason you care is beacause you want to be nominated beacause you will pay your own way. The way it should be settled is YOU personally paying the trip expenses along with your buddies who you chose to travel with you for free last year. Which is the only way you should be allowed to play for Canada again Oh yeah thats why noone cares we dont all have the time and money to fly off to italy for a foosball tournament, hey ill be there anyways on vacation I should get to play for Canada .... |
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Wow this is too funny Mario is being a baby. Can you please be more specific on how i'm being a baby? What choices we can have qualifiers to try and collect what would amount to over 2000$ for one person in addition to roughly a week off work, how many people will play in the tournaments maybe 2 people from each city, at a 200$ entry fee with one prize. and thats probably a high number, in addition the logistics of getting people from vancouver calgary edmonton, regina and saskatoon is unrealistic. You are so right. wonder why you would say that maybe beacause the only person the past is marred for is you, and it shouldnt be forgotten about. I never asked you to forget about it. I just simply stated to stop thinking about the past and move on cause the information about the past that you recieved was fabricated, you dont have the true facts about it. Additionally everyone knows the only reason you care is beacause you want to be nominated beacause you will pay your own way. i wont be going if its not free. Im glad you speak for everyone. Why dont you ask Moya, Eric, and Darrel. They stood by my decision for bad or for good. They know why i made my decisions. It was to win. Even though everyone knows no one person should have made these decision. Anyways for everyone that doesnt know me. I think of myself as a winner although i might not win all the time. I sure as hell give 100% all the time. I made my decision of the world cup totally on WINNING. As you all know we didnt win. Dont be so quick to judge. Judgement day will be coming sooner than you expect. Take it up with the big guy. Im not even going to comment on how full of yourself your being in the next paragraph. Your right about that i am full of myself. I hope to god you are full of yourself too. Because if your not than you will never get 100% out of yourself. I am so sorry that im selfish but if i wasnt than i wouldnt be human. BE TRUE. Mario Ariganello |
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I know Mario certainly doesn't need me to come to his defense, but I do have to say I was a lil shocked to read your post Craig. I know everyone has made their judgements on the issues and made assumptions and accusations to go along with those judgements. You will truly never know the emotional rollercoaster we took trying to figure out what to do with all that. Eric and I spent hours upon hours on the phone and corresponding with others in email trying to figure out how that should all be handled. You can say we didn't do the right thing and that we should be chastized for it for the rest of our lives, however, just know we did not take the decision we made lightly. We looked at every consequence we could think of including our own moral ones. What Mario says is true..like it or hate it. You really have to know him in order to understand where he's coming from. He will tell you what he thinks straight up and he will accept whatever consequence comes from that. You can take it or leave it or what have you, but he will never hold anything against you because of it. The process appeared screwy and that I agree. Do I believe Mario was apart of it?? I honestly can't say for sure as he is the only one who can answer that and it is everybody else's choice whether they want to believe him or not, but as has already been stated, his credibility is mud, so why even bother? One thing for certain that I do know about him. He is a true competitor who demands the most from himself. There is very lil he won't do in order to win. He might appear full of himself..lol..well, which in fact he is, as he has said, but it's because he is so demanding of himself and has confidence is his self belief. There are so many who don't know what's going on on tour. He and Kane are playing their best foosball right now. Specially Kane..sorey Mario.  I am totally sure that if either of them went to Italy they would both finish very very high. It's unfortunate that the ITSF has changed their rules as I have also felt Mario's pain. It's also unfortunate that we are a country which is so wide spread and it seems next to impossible to find the best solution to our challenges. Money will always be a major issue. Anyhow..enough typing. I totally understand where Mario is coming from and instead of calling him a baby for confronting the issue, why not put yourself in his shoes for a second and see things from his perspective? He wants to go and compete and be given the chance to represent his country because he knows he can represent us well. There's nothing wrong with wanting that and nothing wrong with speaking up for what you want. Call it whining or crying if you want, but I guarantee you that's not what he's doing. I'm outtie.  Moya |
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your beeing a baby beacause you bash Tim beacause hes busy with his own stuff. Im not speaking for everyone that is my opinion, if those 3 want to weigh in on the topic good for them. Moya Eric And Darrel were the only players that earned their way into the team, Moya was a clear cut choice beeing the top female player in the world, Eric is the top ranked canadian Male, and Darrel had to win his way in, as far as i know there were no other qualifying tournaments held, and what are they gonna say bad they all got taken on a free trip to Italy, hardly impartial in the matter. "Anyways for everyone that doesnt know me. I think of myself as a winner although i might not win all the time. I sure as hell give 100% all the time. I made my decision of the world cup totally on WINNING. As you all know we didnt win." The fact that Adams girlfriend was on the team would be contrary to that winning concept. The sheer amount of embarassment you caused to Canadian foosball along with whoever else you want to share the blame with is enough for me to have my opinion. And to say being selfish is a good thing in any way shape or form is a joke, there is a reason there is this thing called the golden rule, "Do to others as you would have them do to you" which is the exact opposite of what you claim to be a good thing. |
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I don't know who Adam's girlfriend is but if the three ladies that went were Moya, Julie and Audrey, they are all solid players. Kane also earned his way onto the team. I played both Kane and Mario in Ottawa and they are playing at a sick level plus they play ALL the time. If only one person wants to pay their own way to go over there let them. If more than one wants to go they can play for it at a tourney in the States because more than likely the people that will want to go will be players that go to tournaments in the States... |
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your beeing a baby beacause you bash Tim beacause hes busy with his own stuff I wasnt bashing Tim i was only trying to entice him. If you dont know Tim he is very intricate he shows a lot of attention to detail he has a lot of great ideas. He one smart mo fo. He would be great for Vice President. I didnt see him get offended by my post why do you. He just simply declined saying he had other things on his plate. He is selfish (joking) And to say being selfish is a good thing in any way shape or form is a joke, there is a reason there is this thing called the golden rule, "Do to others as you would have them do to you" which is the exact opposite of what you claim to be a good thing. Viper that is a great rule. One in which i live by. Not so sure if you follow it though. or is it that you like to be made fun of, in that case i understand. Anyways im not here to look for support i am looking for a way for Canada to come together and find a solution. From the looks of it i know the only way that i can play for Canada. Is to go to Kentucky and to the worlds in Vegas and give it a shot. To me i have better odds doing that than letting Canada find a way for me to go. Sounds like a plan to me. Your the best Moya thanks for your kind words. Dont worry Canada Moya and Mario will qualify through ITSF points and get a paid trip. I love this game. News just in Im going to Kentucky and Las Vegas just made up my mind now. I love being me do you. Moya do you know of any good female goalies to play with me in mixed that arent taken yet. Mario Ariganello |
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"One in which i live by. Not so sure if you follow it though. or is it that you like to be made fun of, in that case i understand." "You guys have all the choices now so lets see what you got, stand up put your money were your mouth is why dont you get involved. Is it that you think that you dont have a chance to qualify. Because that would be bullshit right. Everyone has a chance even You. So why back out now. You werent a quiter than why are you a quiter now." That right there is you attacking all the foosball players in Canada saying they aren't doing enough, but appearantly you are... you like being attacked then. "I never asked you to forget about it. I just simply stated to stop thinking about the past and move on cause the information about the past that you recieved was fabricated, you dont have the true facts about it." Well then tell us the true facts if all the information we recieved in the past was fabricated. "Anyhow..enough typing. I totally understand where Mario is coming from and instead of calling him a baby for confronting the issue, why not put yourself in his shoes for a second and see things from his perspective? He wants to go and compete and be given the chance to represent his country because he knows he can represent us well. There's nothing wrong with wanting that and nothing wrong with speaking up for what you want. Call it whining or crying if you want, but I guarantee you that's not what he's doing." If i was in his shoes i wouldnt be worrying about what other people arent doing and start to try to do something about it myself, Is there a tournament to decide Toronto's champion? If there is and i dont know about it great, and if thats all you can do at least you could say you tried, but dont bash all the other players in canada beacause noone cares beacause of what happenned last year. As far as naming a national champion, lack of any sort of interest until it was to late pretty much makes it impossible to name a champion by that date. Collecting the money will be especially hard, at this point I would say name city champions just to collect a membership fee for playing in the tsac or whatever it is called now, lets say you have a 10-20$ membership fee which still might be steep, but if the organization shows signs of purity people would be willing to trust it, as of right now there seems to be some attempts but willingness to send any money is not likely. But for arguments sake lets say you get 10 players from each city, Vancouver Calgary Edmonton Regina Saskatoon i don't know if both have tournaments or either, and in the east i really don't know but Toronto Ottawa and Montreal guessing :S So we get maybe 80 players, if they each gave a 10$ TSAC fee, 800$ into the pool, and then a 10$ entry fee with 5 of those going to tsac as well so were at 1200 maybe, have a local tournament every 3 months or so for TSAC, hopefully beeing able to collect 400 per tournament and then once a year another 800, beeing able to collect 2400$ a year with 80 players, i think this would need possibly some $ added by the promotors, which would involve getting them on board. I think that regardless of what we attempt to do at this date having the funds required isnt going to happen, and the east city champions would all go to ottawa since i think theres only the 3 places and its the most central. The west is far more difficult but really only beacause of vancouver, i think from the saskatchewan tournaments its approx a 5 hour drive and 3 between calgary and edmonton, but vancouver is off a 10 hour drive from calgary, its roughly a 300$ flight, so you pay 16 hours of gas for the rest of the tournaments and fly the vancouver player to calgary(i know i know im fom vancouver but it is the longest trip by quite a bit between cities. so assuming i a year we have collected 2400$ 700 for travel(flying vancouver to calgary and east to west p |
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I agree with you Viper. We should totally forget about this year. The more we focus our attention on this year the less we focus on next year. By having a good point system and tournaments to look forward to i think it is a good start. If we start now for next year we will defenetly have enough time to get a good schedule in and get Canada started for real. Wow you put to much effort into that one. Thanks a fellow fooser. Mario Ariganello |
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Can we defer naming the specific champion until after the Worlds? If so, then we just hold a mini-tournament in Vegas for whoever wants to go to Italy on their own money. If you really are serious about going to Italy to represent Canada, then, as Mario put it, likely you will be going to Vegas too. But right now there is no chance that I see for Canada to have a paid representative. Maybe those people hoping to qualify in such a manner can all chip in $100 and the winner uses that to offset their Italy costs. |
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Taha and I were just discussing an idea just like that Tim. . great minds.. oh wait. B-) Ottawa has said they can do a qualifier level type tournament - a 1 day thing. As can we here in Victoria (the local location has 4 tables). but that's awefully far west, so i would think something more central western canada would be better. So we have an eastern qualifier, and a western qualifier, and the finals are played at worlds/vegas. These qualifiers could also be used to fill our canadian national team at the WCS (World Championship Series - that's tornado worlds in vegas) ITSF team event - we need 6 men and 2 women. So here's my thinkin - summed up. Eastern qualifier - qualifies 3 men and 1 women Western qualifier - qualifies 3 men and 1 women qualifies = on canadian national team, so represents Canada at the ITSF Team event at vegas (WCS). They also qualify for Canadian National Championships Finals which will happen at vegas. or we can forget the qualifier thing, and who ever shows up to vegas can compete in the Canadian National Championships, and top 6 men 2 women get to represent canada in the ITSF team event. |
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oh to answer Tim's question. yes we can defer when we have to name our national champions. But national champions have to come from some type of national championships. I've talked with the ITSF and we have until July 27th to name the date in which that event will take place. |
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Thats awsome i think we should find out who is going to Las Vegas for the worlds of Tornado. From there we can find out if we can hand pick the team. If there is too many players than that would be a good reminder that there is still some competive foosers out there. Then we can set up some tournaments to find out who will be representing Canada at worlds. That money could be put together to help sponsor the Canadian players representing our country male/female at the multi worlds. I dont know if a mini tournament at worlds would be that great of an idea unless the tournament is over. Which than yeah that would be totally cool with me. I just want Canada to be thinking like a team. Mario Ariganello |
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Given the travel issues, why don't we have three qualifiers. One East, one Prairie and one B.C. Having just a west qualifier and placing it in the prairies is not fair to B.C. players just like placing it in B.C. is not fair to prairie players - the 10 hour drive between Vancouver and Calgary is too great to allow for sufficient representation from one area. It seems the Eastern players are not as separated by such a drive but I confess to not knowing the travel time between Toronto and Ottawa or between foos hot beds in Quebec and Ottawa. If the drive is 3 or 4 hours, I don't think that is too odious and one qualifier is sufficient. I think a playoff in Vegas between the winners of the 2 or 3 (or even 4) qualifiers is not unreasonable. If it was a round robin I think you could get some buy in from the tourney coordinators to allow it to happen while other events are underway. |
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Note: Since there will be a playoff, it really doesn't matter how many qualifiers there are - it just increases the number of people in the playoff. But each qualifier makes it easier for everyone to have a chance to attend, especially since they still have to pay their own way to Vegas. |
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