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Calgary & Vancouver & TSAC
| Topic: Edmonton Tourney Details |
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To simplify things, here are the links for the flier and the rankings: http://api.ning.com/files/Jym9yng-aWV6WkFFJGiT*WzaJTMonRDykNyZQs1e9-KzeYtGKaCA8O5mUq1WPFM-QmiJ7I1odt5FGQXEAROXEFr*CezESnzb/EdmontonOpenFlier.pdf http://www.saskfoos.com/view_topic.asp?ParentID=47245&x |
Posted: Mar 11 2010 9:26AM
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Four of us from Regina will be attending. Sean Burnett (Semi) Greg Allen (Semi) Nathan Streifel (Semi) Paul Gee (Pro) |
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Are any saskfoos players attending? |
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Looks like Jordan and I are coming. Chris Welch is a maybe right now. |
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Cool. How about Bc players? Dave and Craig are coming, Tuan and Nelson? anyone else? |
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Dylan are you bringing that girl again? |
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Nathan are you coming? |
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oh nathan. i think she kinda wants to come, but currently i think we're leaving the party girl here in sasky |
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what are the payouts? Or what does 1st in the open events pay |
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They are percentage based, so it will depend on the amount of entries we recieve. My guess would be that first in open singles will pay 400-500. Check the flier for more details |
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Still undecided. Haven't touched a table since that tournament at Gateway so I'm definitely wanting to. If I can Airmiles it there I'll probably come...900 dollar flight otherwise. |
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So if we do the team event with 6 players we can get 3 teams involved... Let's do that! Calgary and sask both have to "pick" teams and in Edmonton we will do the same. We will play in the following format: 3 singles 3 doubles games, edm plays sask sask plays cgy cgy plays edm Each team will have played 12 games, whoever had the most total wins is the team event champion. Tiebreak will be played by the teams players that did not play singles games. In other words if two teams have 8 wins each and 4 losses each then there will be one doubles game between the two teams with 8 wins. The players that are in the game must not be any of the three singles players. All games will be race to 7. |
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At the start of the event, all 3 teams will hand in a roster showing singles players in order. 1,2,3 and doubles teams in order 1,2,3. Each cities singles player 1 play eachother. It doesn't have to be your best player, order them however you want... And then we all hand in the rosters and the games start. Edm will be wearing blue (EFL Tee shirts) - it would be cool if you guys can wear green and red. |
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Why not make it a three team event and include Vancouver. Edmonton, Calgary and Sask can have two teams each? It would be good to include Van. |
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It isn't really a "team" event if you have only 3 players... I think it is cool if players in each city can unite a bit and cheer on there team. There is bigger bragging rights if it is only one team per city, there isn't enough time to have 7 different teams playing each other. A 3 person team is pretty much the same thing as just doing open singles and doubles. It would be good to include van but with only 2 or maybe 3 players coming it just doesn't work. |
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Who picks team Edmonton. |
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You nominated me and then got everyone to agree to it... I would have Christian pick the team if it was my call. Either that or have a vote. |
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I did?  |
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Hey Will Just some clarification on the team event. 1) It's four players per team and each city puts in one team? 2) Regina , Edmonton and Calgary have tentative teams 3) Vancouver and Saskatoon do not ( you referred to Team Sask but not sure if that's Saskatoon or Regina? |
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"You nominated me and then got everyone to agree to it..." "I did?" lol- and I was standing right next to Simon when we agreed to have Will pick the team. |
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Yah Gary, I know. I was there. Hence the winking face guy. |
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Paul, 6 players per team, Edmonton and Calgary each get one team and all of Saskatchewan gets a team, also if enough players from BC come it isn't necassarily a Van team. |
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I am now officially accepting "incentive" for picks if it is indeed myself who chooses the team. |
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Good Idea will, Christian should pick the team. He does have the most points. and Christian, pick me and I'll teach you how to do a two bar sling shot  |
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I'm sure there's former BCites, in Alberta and Saskatchewan. I'm sure you could allow BC to play allowing us to pick from anyone left. We are also the only ones flying in(I think anyways if it was drivable you'd probably see more players from BC) On a side note :P my moms family is from Saskatchewan, I'll join there team if they want me :P |
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So we need 6 to play? I think there are only 4 coming from Sask. |
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So we need 6 to play? I think there are only 4 coming from Sask. |
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If Dylan and Jordam come you would have 6. Also what about Barry? |
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Will.. Wandering if you receive the warrior tables yet? And if so, what are they like? If they are the new version or old one, if new hopefully they better than old one. I went over to Craigs house tonight to see what it was like. From my opinion, it was the worst tournament table i ever played on. The old dynamo is 5 times better. And if i knew bout this earlier i wouldnt have bought my ticket. I just dont know how they can sell that table for even 1000 bucks. They cant even drill the holes on the rods right so the men would aline. After scoring a goal, the ball would pop from somewhere out of the cabinet. You would have to lube the bumpers so wont stick to the wall. The bar was so heavy that was hard for me to spin the rod so i could hit the ball. Or maybe its just my way of shooting, cause i hit bumper off the wall when doing roller or maybe latteral too fast for spin. Once again, only my opinion, feel that the table should be selling at kmart for kids.(old version anyways) Its just so dissapointing for me cause i only go to couple tourneys a year. Just would like to play on the best and most used table out there and can actually used the skills that i practice on. Now i know why you cant get deals from Tornado and warriors or giving there tables out for free. Even for free, still not worth it. I rather have no payouts and play on tornado, cause at the end of day we all are playing for fun. Just my opinion. |
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Tuan, The shortcomings of the Warrior table are well documented. The foosball board is littered with rants about it's shortcomings. I'm kinda shocked that you didn't know what you were getting in to. I don't like the table any more than you do, but would we even have an event if Will was stuck using Tornado? I suppose only he can answer that. |
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Wait until you do a pullshot and you pull the rod through the wall because the bearing blew out. Or...You take a shot and wonder what that wierd sound was because the whole back of the net fell off and is sunk inside the cabinet...hahaahah |
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Yes ive heard the table was not too good but never imagine it was this bad. Last tournament in edmonton there were 14 tornado tables. Im sure if Will really wanted to he could have grab six of those. I believe there would be a toutnament. The main purpose of this tournament was to demonstrate the game and to recruit new foosers, so would be nice to have a table that can show off talent. (not about saving a buck) Im sure Mary Moore doesnt like the table either but has to use it cause its a business for her. We shouldnt have followed her and use the table cause we dont do this for financial reasons. Yes they say that Warrior cares about the foosers and I say that its a bunch of bs. They only give out tables cause cant sell them and hopefully take over all the tournaments so we are force to buy that junk. If they really cared they wouldnt make such a cheap table and not have half the foosers blow out their shoulder. Im actually in pain for playing around with it for 20 min. Warrior is a business and they are here to make money. BOTTOME LINE... WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER PLAYING ON OLD BEAT UP TORNADO TABLES THEN WHATEVER THEY CALLED THAT OTHER THING. Also.. Craig told me he fit two full tables in his celica.. hahaha what a joke!!!! |
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I can understand what you are saying. The warrior table isn't built as well as the tornado coin op. The playing charecteristics is what I am surprised about. I think playing on warrior is more fun than tornado, because of the options you have. You can do a lot more on a Warrior than a tornado, it takes a long time to adjust, but warrior has more ball control by far. Also banking is better, backpin, stick passing, push kicks, etc. I personally would rather play a tournament on a tornado coin op table, but warrior does make a better table than all tornado non-coin op tables. Really a cyclone isn't better than a warrior in any way in my opinion. Some people that sell foosball tables in this city read the board and I was told by a store owner that he thinks his whirlwind with non-counter balanced men is a legitimate tournament table. For the price warrior makes a great table. As far as the specific problems mentioned. Yes you should lube the bumper, it spins better once that happens.I have never personally seen a wall blow out, but with aggressive enough play it could happen I suppose. The purpose is to showcase foosball, but also to get newbies to enjoy it. They will like warrior more than tornado. Even the 1 man goalie thing matters from that perspective. Also ball control, you can't say enough about that, newbies don't like tornado because it is too hard to control and too fast. Warrior is better for that. I'm not saying I will only run warrior tournaments or anything, but this one is warrior and it will be a great tournament. Don't complain about the tables when you are here either, I don't make the table, and you know it is a warrior tournament. The first real table I ever owned was a warrior and I learned to play on that. Also sam ben and Tobin too - we still use that tale now about 2 years after buying it. It really isn't a piece of crap, but it is not as strong as a tornado coin op. Craig obviously doesn't mind warrior, but he probably beat you because you didn't adjust and that's why you don't like it :) in the end it is a foosball table, and whatever table I play on I'm just going to try to win. |
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A good carpenter always blames his tools. |
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I doubt I'll make your tourney Will but, regardless, everyone is playing on the same tables and so has the same benefits/detriments. If one type of table favours or hinders a certain style of play, that is an advantage/weakness of that style of play and the people who adopt that style of play implicitly accept those advantages/weaknesses. I think a good foosball player can handle one table type but to be a great player, you need to be able to adapt to other types of tables. I hope the tourney is a great success. |
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The best carpenters use the best tools. Nobody hammers a nail anymore... |
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I just reread my post and Tuan I was not trying to rant at you or anything, I even agree with you. I just wanted to point out the area's of my opinion that differ from what you said. |
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If anyone has never played in a tournament before and is reading this I hope they realize that both Warrior and Tornado tables are better quality than any table you could find outside of a tournament room. Most Tornado tables in bar's are really run down and too hard to play on also, so these will probably be the best tables you have ever played on - they really are good, so don't worry about some people complaining about the quality. Keep in mind those players have a TON of foosball experience and are some of the top players in the world. It is easy to get really picky when you are that good - so don't worry it most likely wont effect your game! |
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The only thing that is good bout warriors are the ball grabs cause the ball is soft. Dont know how you can get ball control when cant even tick form man to other. Foosball is fun when you can do variety.. ya you can back pin and bank better but tornado is better at everything else. Garry was back pinning find last tourny as i recall. No way in hell is the warrior better then the cyclone!!!Ask Matt cause i think he has one and practice find on it. I cant ever recall that any table i have ever heard of that cant aline the holes on the rods... They should be ashame of themself.. Just my opinion. Tim you complain about your game on a Tornado and if you were ever to play warrior, you would wish that you nevered knew what foosball was..lol. We shouldnt play foosball cause its cheaper but play cause it game gets better. NEVER KNEW OF ANY OTHER SPORT THAT WOULD WANNA TAKE A STEP BACK AND NOT FORWARD. Dont take it personal just my opinion.. A good player always win, and doesnt matter what table but just wish that we could showcase on one that works. I Dont know how people would think its funner when ball doesnt even go straight and slower. Nevered heard of anyone wanting to play on a slower table and but i heard of faster and thats why they people play garlando. Will dont take it personal, im really impresss what your doing for the game just dont agree with you on warrior.. Just my opinion.. And yes it is a piece of crap.. dynamo, shelti, tornado are all better and by far..and some are 20 year old technology. |
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You cant tictac on a garlando at all... and the walls have ramps so that you cant do a wall pass. This batch of warrior tables does not have problems with the men aligning. It is harder to tictac than on a tornado, but that is a difference in playng style - not necassarily a problem with the table. I have seen many cyclones fall apart, the laminant peels off the outside, the rods bend WAY easier, the nets break, I bet if you ask matt he doesn't think that it is better than a warrior. Dynamo Shelti Tornado... all good tables. I'm not even saying a Cyclone is a piece of crap, its a $1400 table in most stores - it better not be a piece of crap. Warrior has an innovative table that has made some positive improvements. It does lack some build quality compared to the other models mentioned, but those tables are built for life in a bar. Warrior is meant to be used for a tournament for a weekend or to live in someones basement. Also the Warrior table is more affordable than the other tables. These are the new model of table, with red and blue men. Tuan can you email me so I can get a hold of you, will_stranks@hotmail.com Thanks. W |
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I'm more or less just wondering how this may affect my wrists. They're pretty weak...and get tweaked playing foosball depending on what i shoot. How much heavier are the rods of a Warrior table compared to Tornado? If it's significant, i may not play in the tournament. May still come to check it out tho...undecided as of this moment. Oh and yeah...you CAN tictac on a Garlando...it just takes more skill and ball control  |
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Don't worry about it Tuan doesn't mind the table, the 2nd day was a lot better. He can do his shot on it. all it took was a little bit of lube. Damn Ctaig lube your rod once in a while |
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Linda... It is a lot heavier. If your stroke is right you won't hurt yourself at all, but coming off an injury to warrior wouldn't help. Just play one event and see how it goes maybe? |
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The rods on the warrior table are about 20 % heavier than the rods on the tornado. |
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omg...f'n whiners.. Tuan, it won't be as bad as you think once you play on it for a lil bit. Linda, it's a spray shot table, not square, so if you think of it like that, you'll be fine. I'm less sore after playing Warrior than Tornado, believe that or not. Warrior is just a follow through spray motion and my spray long is killer fast on Warrior cause the weight of the rod carries the shot faster after you start your take off. Bitch and whine..no one's ever happy. It's only freakin foosball. Stfu and have fun. :p You should be thanking Will for taking the time to put this all together or you would have one less tourney to go to. Oh and... *hugs* Moya |
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Sorry, just to clarify, I wasn't implying that Linda was complaining...just giving some friendly, hopefully helpful advice. ;) |
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No worries Moya - it didn't read like that at all =) With regards to the weight. I shoot a rollover on offense so i don't know how the weight might affect that shot (aka how bad i'd suck). I'm concerned mostly about hurting myself if i end up playing defense cause that's where the push and pull shots come in....typically i tweak my wrist more often shooting a pull than anything else. So if someone wants to play defense for me while i attempt to not suck at forward.... |
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I just played on the warrior table today with ang, joey & brian at brians,for the first time. Its an easy adjustment to make, nice to be able to shoot backpins and dribble the ball on a backpin. I didnt find shooting a pullshot a problem like everyone seems to say. found the Cabinet & Craftsmanship too light, could use some more meat! Otherwise fun to play on. |
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