This thread also displays on the following board(s): Calgary  &  Edmonton  &  Vancouver Topic: InsideFoos from Vegas Author: Will Original Message Posted: May 11 2011 11:36AM This is a video posted to youtube by Jim Stevens, from the Hall of Fame classic in Vegas. Todd Loffredo and Frederico Collignon (the winningest team in history) vs. Ryan Moore and Bobby Diaz. Ryan and Bobby won the first two games, then Fred and Todd won the third game, this is game 4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2gB890rf6I Author: Will Reply #1 Posted: May 11 2011 11:38AM At 4-4, Ryan takes a time out with the ball(and the match) on his 3 bar. Watch the defense that Todd gives Ryan after the time out, keep in mind that if Ryan scores, Todd and Fred are out of the tournament. Look at how big the strait is... It would be tough to give that look with that much pressure. Author: Pixel Reply #2 Posted: May 11 2011 12:37PM Just in case you wanted to link directly to the point in question: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2gB890rf6I&t=8m Author: RezaREX Reply #3 Posted: May 11 2011 3:25PM That defense is called knowing your opponent and how much he wants to crush a pull or push. Author: Aged Whine & Cheese Reply #4 Posted: May 11 2011 7:41PM The D is called using your opponent's weaknesses against him. In Moore's case, the weakness appears to be "north" of the shooting arm and somewhere behind the eyes and between the ears. Author: Will Reply #5 Posted: May 11 2011 9:15PM I think it has a lit more to do with Todd being great than Ryan not having a good head game. Author: perennial underdog Reply #6 Posted: May 11 2011 9:22PM That D is two words:Todd Loffredo,the same foosballer who,at 17 years of age,won the open doubles world title,which was in 1977. A curious fact:most of Loffredo's titles come in the form of doubles titles.Even so,I believe it was in 2008 that he placed 3rd in open singles at worlds--at age 47, I believe. Furthermore,it seems to me that a good singles player does not necessarily make for a good doubles player and vice versa.The most recognizable exception to this rule is clearly Fredrico.But still,it's my view that a good singles player is much more likely to be able to become a proficient doubles player but less likely that a good doubles player can become a proficient singles player. This thread does not accept replies because: The last post to this thread is more than 30 days old.